Editing Talk:Nintendo Entertainment System emulators

Why are Nintendulator, Nestopia and FCEUX recommended? 
I just tried out all the recommended emulators and Mesen and PuNES seem a lot better. Nintendulator doesn't load zip-files, has to be configurated to even start. All of them (Nintendulator, Nestopia, FCEUX) have complicated menu systems and configurations. Mesen is super easy to use, has better compatibility, auto updating, netplay and it even loads goodmerged-files. PuNES is not as good but supports rewinding so that I might get by.
:Nestopia is still recommended primarily because of its availability as a Libretro core.  Standalone is okay but puNES and Mesen are much better these days.  If either of those two were to become Libretro cores then I couldn't see recommending Nestopia at all.  As for FCEUX and Nintendulator, I have no idea.  -- [[User:Random Encounter|Random Encounter]] ([[User talk:Random Encounter|talk]]) 14:17, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

FCEUX still gets recc'ed based on debugging features. These things matter for homebrew. As for Nintendulator, not a damn clue. [[User:Goi~Yaas~Dinn|Goi~Yaas~Dinn]] ([[User talk:Goi~Yaas~Dinn|talk]])

Note that Mesen, while it works on GNU/Linux, it's pretty awful due to a ton of stuttering and lag during gameplay, even with VSync turned on. puNES should be recommended over it for GNU/Linux users (and NEStopia UE for its libretro core). [[User:Syboxez|Syboxez]] ([[User talk:Syboxez|talk]])

Is it just me or this wiki's main basis for recommendation is 'maximum accuracy' + 'libretro core' and basically to hell with anything else? Hate to be like this as soon as I join but I can't see why FCEUX wouldn't be a recommended emulator, considering its highly robust amount of functionality exceeds most if not all other options for those use cases (and it's even highlighted that on the page for it).

On another note, I'm not sure why there's such a huge emphasis on whether something is in libretro or not? I personally don't like how native ports just aren't even a thing anymore most of the time, because 'everyone is running the latest and greatest thing'... [[User:Compa|Compa]] ([[User talk:Compa|talk]]) 08:11, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

NintendulatorNRS and MAME emus are great alternatives for bootleg games and VRT chipsets/VTxx etc and also unlicensed mappers. MAME also has proper PC-10 emulation support so i think its logical to set these emus "somewhat recommended"; <br />
https://forums.libretro.com/t/which-core-would-you-best-recommend-to-play-old-nes-bootleg-games/36763 <br />
https://unlicensed.games/libg/index.php <br />
https://imgur.com/a/zyk0Zff <br />
[[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]])


== Some Issues ==

1. Can we cut the description of the FDS down to a line and keep all the talkative bits about it under its peripheral subheader? I realize I'm guilty of nearly doubling its number of lines, but that's before I read the whole page and discovered it already had a home.

2. There appears to be a dick-measuring contest going on in a footnote between proponents of mesen and puNES re the number of mappers each supports. Can I just say each supports mappers the other doesn't or would that be untrue?

3. The assertion that VC NES emulation is somehow accurate in any way (simply because Nintendo did it) I find highly suspect (considering what is known about their approach to other consoles such as the SNES and N64). Can anyone back that up?

I plan to do some other minor edits to polish, but first I wanted to clear this up. [[User:Goi~Yaas~Dinn|Goi~Yaas~Dinn]] ([[User talk:Goi~Yaas~Dinn|talk]])


Pretty much no VC emulator is accurate, barring GBA on the 3DS since it uses hardware, and GBA on the Wii U is decent as well, due to being coded by a third party. Also would be nice if the FDS info was still on the page, just somewhere else. The FDS versions of many games were superior to the American cart releases, and it would be good for people to know that. [[User:Syboxez|Syboxez]] ([[User talk:Syboxez|talk]])

I went ahead and finished editing and polishing. Thank you for your (somewhat belated) response. [[User:Goi~Yaas~Dinn|Goi~Yaas~Dinn]] ([[User talk:Goi~Yaas~Dinn|talk]]) 03:56, 25 July 2017 (EDT)

== Adding ares ==

I've been adding ares entries to all the relevant emulator pages, but this one is protected. ares gives itself a 2/4 star ratings (in terms of how many titles are playable, not actual accuracy), so it certainly would not be a recommended emulator, but I think it's still worth adding. I recommend something like this gets added:

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
! scope="col"|Name
! scope="col"|Platform(s)
! scope="col"|Latest Version
! scope="col"|[[Wikipedia:Family Computer Disk System|FDS]]
! scope="col"|[[libretro|Libretro Core]]
! scope="col"|[[Emulation Accuracy|Accuracy]]
! scope="col"|<abbr title="Free/Libre and Open-Source Software">FLOSS</abbr>
! scope="col"|Active
! scope="col"|[[Recommended Emulators|Recommended]]
|-
|[[ares]]
|align=left|{{Icon|Windows|Linux|macOS}}
|[https://github.com/higan-emu/ares/releases/ {{aresVer}}]
|{{✓}}
|{{✗}}
|?
|{{✓}}
|{{✓}}
|{{✗}}
|}

Note: it does handle FDS but I don't know the quality of the support.

[[User:BlaBlaCra|BlaBlaCra]] ([[User talk:BlaBlaCra|talk]]) 21:07, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

:Thank you. Could someone update the url to "https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares/releases" to avoid using a redirect link? Cheers. [[User:BlaBlaCra|BlaBlaCra]] ([[User talk:BlaBlaCra|talk]]) 00:14, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Ares status has been changed to "kinda recommended" by an anonymous user. Does this need to be reverted? I think it's kind of an important deal. [[User:FulguroBoy|FulguroBoy]] ([[User talk:FulguroBoy|talk]]) 02:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

== "Mappers", <s>"Netplay"</s> and <s>"Sprite Enhancement/Tile-swapping ([https://www.mesen.ca/docs/hdpacks.html HD Packs])"</s> columns for emulators section? ==

"[https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Nintendo_Entertainment_System_emulators#Mappers A key difference between many emulators nowadays is how many mappers they support]." What do you guys think?
https://old.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/10zl6rk/is_there_any_technical_reason_we_dont_have/

===example===
<div style="max-width:100%; overflow:auto;">
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
! scope="col"|Name
! scope="col"|Platform(s)
! scope="col"|Latest version
! scope="col"|[https://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=550 <abbr title="PlayChoice-10">PC-10</abbr>]
! scope="col"|[https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Nintendo_Entertainment_System_emulators#VS._System <abbr title="Vs. UniSystem and Vs. DualSystem emulation">VS<br/>System</abbr>]
! scope="col"|[[Wikipedia:Famicom Disk System|FDS]]
! scope="col"|<abbr title="Sprite Enhancement/Tile-swapping">HD</abbr>
! scope="col"|Netplay
! scope="col"|[[libretro]]
! scope="col"|<small>[https://retroachievements.org/download.php Retro<br/>Achievements]</small>
! scope="col"|Mappers
! scope="col"|[[Emulation accuracy|Accuracy]]
! scope="col"|<abbr title="Free/Libre and Open-Source Software">FLOSS</abbr>
! scope="col"|Active
! scope="col"|[[Recommended emulators|Recommended]]
|-
!colspan="15"|PC / x86
|-
|[[Mesen]]
|align=left|{{Icon|Windows|Linux}}
|[https://github.com/NovaSquirrel/Mesen-X/releases/ 2022-05-15] ([[Mesen#List_of_forks|Mesen X]]) <br/> [https://github.com/negativeExponent/libretro_builds/releases libretro core] ([[Mesen#List_of_forks|Mesen X]])<br /> [https://buildbot.libretro.com/nightly/ libretro core]
|{{~}}
|{{✓}}[https://www.mesen.ca/docs/configuration/preferences.html#vs-dualsystem-settings *]
|{{✓}}
|{{✓}}
|{{✓}}
|{{✓}}
|{{✓}}
|<abbr title="xxx/xxx">High</abbr>
|Cycle
|{{✓}}
|{{~}}
|{{✓}}
|-
|[https://github.com/SourMesen/Mesen2 Mesen2]
|align=left|{{Icon|Windows|Linux}}
|[https://github.com/SourMesen/Mesen2/tags 2.0.0-preview1]<br />[https://github.com/SourMesen/Mesen2#development-builds Dev]
|{{~}}
|{{✓}}
|{{✓}}
|{{✓}}
|{{✓}}
|{{✗}}
|{{✗}}
|<abbr title="xxx/xxx">High</abbr>
|Cycle
|{{✓}}
|{{✓}}
|{{✓}}
|-
|[[puNES]]
|align=left|{{Icon|Windows|Linux|FreeBSD}}
|[https://github.com/punesemu/puNES/actions git]<br> [https://github.com/punesemu/puNES/releases {{PuNESVer}}]
|{{~}}
|{{~}}
|{{✓}}
|{{✗}}
|{{✗}}
|{{✗}}
|{{✗}}
|<abbr title="xxx/xxx">High</abbr>
|Cycle
|{{✓}}
|{{✓}}
|{{✓}}
|}
</div>

<s>"Sprite Enhancement/Tile-swapping (HD Packs)"</s>: done (14:56, 12 February 2023‎) by Ahayri <br/>
<s>"Netplay"</s>: done (10:13, 10 March 2023) by Ahayri

[[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]])

== Fceux is really updating everyday ==

So why is it still marked as a not recommended Emulator ?--
:It needs to be the best, compared to other emulators, for either general use or in compatibility to be recommended. In case it is, feel free to change it and remove the ones that it's better than from recommended -[[User:Jpx|Jpx]] ([[User talk:Jpx|talk]]) 12:59, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

== Accuracy ==

Based on the latest test I did on almost every NES emulator known in the scene, puNES is now the Actual holder of that title (The most accurate emulator now), well done puNES, seriously.
I am willing to create a video of the test, I am not that good with Adobe Premiere Pro, wish me good luck !

== Compatibility ==

-What's the compatibility column for ? licensed games only or according to mappers supported ? NES 2.0 ?[[User:Chipsum|Chipsum]] ([[User talk:Chipsum|talk]]) 20:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

+I think it's for "licensed games". [[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 11:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

-In this case we can use mappers as a source since most common emulators (Mesen, puNES, Fceux..) have 100% compatibility for licensed games mappers.[[User:Chipsum|Chipsum]] ([[User talk:Chipsum|talk]]) 20:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

+I agree. [[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 20:58, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

== jgenesis and jgnes ==

[https://github.com/jsgroth/jgenesis jgenesis] and [https://github.com/jsgroth/jgnes jgnes]
@@ Line 67: / Line 67: @@
 Ares status has been changed to "kinda recommended" by an anonymous user. Does this need to be reverted? I think it's kind of an important deal. [[User:FulguroBoy|FulguroBoy]] ([[User talk:FulguroBoy|talk]]) 02:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
-== <s>"Mappers"</s>, <s>"Netplay"</s> and <s>"Sprite Enhancement/Tile-swapping ([https://www.mesen.ca/docs/hdpacks.html HD Packs])"</s> columns for emulators section? ==
+== "Mappers", <s>"Netplay"</s> and <s>"Sprite Enhancement/Tile-swapping ([https://www.mesen.ca/docs/hdpacks.html HD Packs])"</s> columns for emulators section? ==
 "[https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Nintendo_Entertainment_System_emulators#Mappers A key difference between many emulators nowadays is how many mappers they support]." What do you guys think?
@@ Line 171: / Line 171: @@
 [https://github.com/jsgroth/jgenesis jgenesis] and [https://github.com/jsgroth/jgnes jgnes]
-<div style="margin-left:20px">
-jgenesis does basically contain jgnes, jgenesis hence the name is a multisystem emulator that emulates:
-<br>
-*Sega Genesis/Mega Drive.
-*Sega CD/Mega CD.
-*Sega Master System/Mark III Game Gear.
-*Nintendo Entertainment System (NES)/Famicom
-*Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES)/Super Famicom
-*Game Boy/Game Boy Color
-<br>
-But the dev stated in a comment that he may or may not be working on it seriously, since he didn't knew others are really started noticing and using it<ref>https://github.com/jsgroth/jgenesis/issues/18#issuecomment-1915441415</ref>
-<br>
-Feel free to add it anyway.
-</div>[[User:Chipsum|Chipsum]] ([[User talk:Chipsum|talk]]) 15:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
-== puNES mappers ==
-Hello. Please change the target of the "Unlicensed" link in the puNES row to https://github.com/punesemu/puNES#electric_plug-supported-mappers . -- [[Special:Contributions/172.70.34.113|172.70.34.113]] 03:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)