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Why are Nintendulator, Nestopia and FCEUX recommended?
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I just tried out all the recommended emulators and Mesen and PuNES seem a lot better. Nintendulator doesn't load zip-files, has to be configurated to even start. All of them (Nintendulator, Nestopia, FCEUX) have complicated menu systems and configurations. Mesen is super easy to use, has better compatibility, auto updating, netplay and it even loads goodmerged-files. PuNES is not as good but supports rewinding so that I might get by.
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:Nestopia is still recommended primarily because of its availability as a Libretro core. Standalone is okay but puNES and Mesen are much better these days.  If either of those two were to become Libretro cores then I couldn't see recommending Nestopia at all.  As for FCEUX and Nintendulator, I have no idea. -- [[User:Random Encounter|Random Encounter]] ([[User talk:Random Encounter|talk]]) 14:17, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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|imagecaption = '''Above''': The PC Engine.<br/>'''Below''': The SuperGrafx.
 
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|developer = [[:Category:NEC consoles|NEC Home Electronics, Hudson Soft]]
 
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The '''[[gametech:TurboGrafx-16/PC Engine|PC Engine]]''' ('''PCE''') was an 8-bit system released jointly by [[wikipedia:Nec|NEC]] and [[wikipedia:Hudson Soft|Hudson Soft]] in Japan on October 30, 1987 and in the US on August 29, 1989. It was retailed for {{Inflation|USD|399.99|1987}}. It had a Hudson Soft HuC6280 8-bit CPU at 7.16 MHz and 1.79 MHz with 8KB of RAM and 64KB of VRAM. The CPU was teamed up with a 16-bit graphics processor and 16-bit video color encoder chip, both built by Hudson Soft. When it came time to seek other potential markets, the two companies eventually caved to a limited American release in 1989 under a completely different model and name: the '''TurboGrafx-16'''. The European versions varied throughout the countries, being the western version in Spain and United Kingdom and Japanese models in Benelux regions.
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FCEUX still gets recc'ed based on debugging features. These things matter for homebrew. As for Nintendulator, not a damn clue. [[User:Goi~Yaas~Dinn|Goi~Yaas~Dinn]] ([[User talk:Goi~Yaas~Dinn|talk]])
  
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The joint venture, formed in North America as TTI, made an add-on called the '''PC Engine CD''' ('''PCE-CD''') / '''TurboGrafx-CD''' ('''TG-CD''') that loaded games from discs instead, much like the Sega CD but better supported. The '''PC Engine Duo''' / '''Turbo-Duo''' combined the add-on into the unit with more RAM as yet another failed attempt to relaunch the failing console in the West.
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Note that Mesen, while it works on GNU/Linux, it's pretty awful due to a ton of stuttering and lag during gameplay, even with VSync turned on. puNES should be recommended over it for GNU/Linux users (and NEStopia UE for its libretro core). [[User:Syboxez|Syboxez]] ([[User talk:Syboxez|talk]])
  
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When it first launched in North America, the TurboGrafx-16 was largely seen as a failure blamed on poor marketing by the manufacturers. The PC Engine, on the other hand, was a whole different story, beating out the [[Nintendo Entertainment System emulators|Famicom]] when it first came out long enough to compete against [[Super Nintendo emulators|its rival's own successor]] and gave little focus for the [[Sega Genesis emulators|Mega Drive]] who was instead posing more of a threat to Nintendo in North America.
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== Some Issues ==
  
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NEC planned to enhance the system further, announcing the "PC Engine 2" that would later become the '''PC Engine SuperGrafx'''. However, it was rushed to a 1989 market in Japan lacking much of its promised features with only seven titles exclusively made for it, ending up a commercial failure to be binned and discontinued not long after. The '''PC Engine GT''' / '''Turbo-Express''' was a very rare handheld model of the original hardware, in the same vein as the Sega Nomad (a portable [[Sega Genesis emulators|Sega Genesis / Mega Drive]]). It did include some exclusive features like the TurboLink multiplayer feature (used in games such as the flight sim called ''Falcon'' and ''Bomberman 93'') but wasn't widely supported.
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1. Can we cut the description of the FDS down to a line and keep all the talkative bits about it under its peripheral subheader? I realize I'm guilty of nearly doubling its number of lines, but that's before I read the whole page and discovered it already had a home.
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2. There appears to be a dick-measuring contest going on in a footnote between proponents of mesen and puNES re the number of mappers each supports. Can I just say each supports mappers the other doesn't or would that be untrue?
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3. The assertion that VC NES emulation is somehow accurate in any way (simply because Nintendo did it) I find highly suspect (considering what is known about their approach to other consoles such as the SNES and N64). Can anyone back that up?
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I plan to do some other minor edits to polish, but first I wanted to clear this up. [[User:Goi~Yaas~Dinn|Goi~Yaas~Dinn]] ([[User talk:Goi~Yaas~Dinn|talk]])
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Pretty much no VC emulator is accurate, barring GBA on the 3DS since it uses hardware, and GBA on the Wii U is decent as well, due to being coded by a third party. Also would be nice if the FDS info was still on the page, just somewhere else. The FDS versions of many games were superior to the American cart releases, and it would be good for people to know that. [[User:Syboxez|Syboxez]] ([[User talk:Syboxez|talk]])
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I went ahead and finished editing and polishing. Thank you for your (somewhat belated) response. [[User:Goi~Yaas~Dinn|Goi~Yaas~Dinn]] ([[User talk:Goi~Yaas~Dinn|talk]]) 03:56, 25 July 2017 (EDT)
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== Adding ares ==
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I've been adding ares entries to all the relevant emulator pages, but this one is protected. ares gives itself a 2/4 star ratings (in terms of how many titles are playable, not actual accuracy), so it certainly would not be a recommended emulator, but I think it's still worth adding. I recommend something like this gets added:
  
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==Emulators==
 
 
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! scope="col"|Platform(s)
 
! scope="col"|Latest Version
 
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! scope="col"|PCE-CD (TG-CD)
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! scope="col"|[[Wikipedia:Family Computer Disk System|FDS]]
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! scope="col"|PCE2 (SG)
 
 
! scope="col"|[[libretro|Libretro Core]]
 
! scope="col"|[[libretro|Libretro Core]]
 
! scope="col"|[[Emulation Accuracy|Accuracy]]
 
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! scope="col"|[[Recommended Emulators|Recommended]]
 
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|[[Mednafen]] <small>(PCE-Accurate)</small>
 
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|align=left|{{Icon|Windows|Linux|macOS|FreeBSD}}
 
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|[{{MednafenURL|releases/}} {{MednafenVer}}]
 
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|[[MAME]]
 
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|align=left|{{Icon|Windows|Linux|macOS|FreeBSD}}
 
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|[http://www.mamedev.org/release.html {{MAMEVer}}]
 
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|{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||High ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}}
 
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|[[Mednafen]] <small>(PCE-Fast)</small>
 
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|align=left|{{Icon|Windows|Linux|macOS|FreeBSD}}
 
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|[{{MednafenURL|releases/}} {{MednafenVer}}]
 
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|{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||Mid ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}}
 
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|[[BizHawk]]
 
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|align=left|{{Icon|Windows}}
 
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|[http://tasvideos.org/BizHawk/ReleaseHistory.html {{BizHawkVer}}]
 
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|[[ares]]
 
|[[ares]]
 
|align=left|{{Icon|Windows|Linux|macOS}}
 
|align=left|{{Icon|Windows|Linux|macOS}}
 
|[https://github.com/higan-emu/ares/releases/ {{aresVer}}]
 
|[https://github.com/higan-emu/ares/releases/ {{aresVer}}]
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|[[higan]]
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|[https://github.com/higan-emu/higan/releases {{higanVer}}]
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|[[Turbo Engine]]
 
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|[http://aamirm.hacking-cult.org/www/turbo.html 0.32]
 
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|[http://www.emuparadise.me/emulators/files/user/Magic-Engine_1.1.3-952.rar 1.1.3]
 
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|[http://www.ouma.jp/ootake/ {{OotakeVer}}]
 
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|pcejin <small>(Mednafen 0.8.x)</small>
 
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|[https://github.com/TASVideos/pcejin git]
 
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|[https://web.archive.org/web/20071206014650/http://www.dridus.com:80/~nyef/darcnes/ DarcNES]
 
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|[https://segaretro.org/DarcNES 9b0401/9b0313]
 
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|[http://takeda-toshiya.my.coocan.jp/ ePCEngine]
 
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|[http://takeda-toshiya.my.coocan.jp/common/index.html 8/12/2017]
 
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|[[FinalBurn Alpha]]
 
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|[http://www.fbalpha.com/downloads/ 0.2.97.43]
 
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|[http://zeograd.com/ Hu-Go!]
 
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|[http://zeograd.com/hugo_download.php 2.12]
 
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!colspan="10"|Mobile / ARM
 
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|[[Mednafen]] <small>(PCE-Fast)</small>
 
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|align=left|{{Icon|Android|iOS|Linux|Pandora}}
 
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|[{{MednafenURL|releases/}} {{MednafenVer}}]
 
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|{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||Mid ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}}
 
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|PCE.emu
 
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|[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.PceEmu 1.5.54]<br/>[https://pyra-handheld.com/repo/apps/82 1.5.46.01 Pyra]
 
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|[[Mednafen]] <small>(PCE-Fast)</small><ref group=N>Only available on consoles as a libretro core (e.g. [[RetroArch]]).</ref>
 
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|{{MednafenVer}}
 
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|{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||Mid ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}}
 
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|HuGo! GX Unofficial
 
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|align=left|{{Icon|Wii|GCN}}
 
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|[http://www.gc-forever.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1208 2.12.1]
 
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|[https://dcemulation.org/index.php?title=PCECast HuCast]
 
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|[http://dcemulation.org/1-newsdump/emulators/pcecast/pcecast.zip 06/01/07]
 
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|{{✓}} ||? ||{{✗}} ||Mid ||? ||{{✗}} ||{{✓}}
 
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|[[HuE]]
 
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|align=left|{{Icon|PSP}}
 
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|[https://www.psx-place.com/resources/turbografx-16-hue-0-70.240 0.70]
 
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|{{✓}} ||{{~}} ||{{✗}} ||Mid ||? ||{{✗}} ||{{✓}}
 
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|[https://www.gamebrew.org/wiki/NitroGrafx NitroGrafx]
 
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|align=left|{{Icon|NDS}}
 
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|[https://emutopia.com/index.php/item/815-nitrografx-0-7 0.7]
 
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|{{✓}} ||{{✗}} ||{{✗}} ||? ||? ||{{✗}} ||{{~}}
 
 
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;[[Mednafen]]:Much like its other original cores, it does very well, even having two profiles: PCE-Accurate and PCE-Fast. Despite being CLI-based, a fork of an older version that has a GUI has emerged called pcejin. [[RetroArch]] uses the PCE-Fast core for its beetle fork.
 
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Revision as of 21:45, 11 October 2021

Why are Nintendulator, Nestopia and FCEUX recommended? I just tried out all the recommended emulators and Mesen and PuNES seem a lot better. Nintendulator doesn't load zip-files, has to be configurated to even start. All of them (Nintendulator, Nestopia, FCEUX) have complicated menu systems and configurations. Mesen is super easy to use, has better compatibility, auto updating, netplay and it even loads goodmerged-files. PuNES is not as good but supports rewinding so that I might get by.

Nestopia is still recommended primarily because of its availability as a Libretro core. Standalone is okay but puNES and Mesen are much better these days. If either of those two were to become Libretro cores then I couldn't see recommending Nestopia at all. As for FCEUX and Nintendulator, I have no idea. -- Random Encounter (talk) 14:17, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

FCEUX still gets recc'ed based on debugging features. These things matter for homebrew. As for Nintendulator, not a damn clue. Goi~Yaas~Dinn (talk)

Note that Mesen, while it works on GNU/Linux, it's pretty awful due to a ton of stuttering and lag during gameplay, even with VSync turned on. puNES should be recommended over it for GNU/Linux users (and NEStopia UE for its libretro core). Syboxez (talk)

Some Issues

1. Can we cut the description of the FDS down to a line and keep all the talkative bits about it under its peripheral subheader? I realize I'm guilty of nearly doubling its number of lines, but that's before I read the whole page and discovered it already had a home.

2. There appears to be a dick-measuring contest going on in a footnote between proponents of mesen and puNES re the number of mappers each supports. Can I just say each supports mappers the other doesn't or would that be untrue?

3. The assertion that VC NES emulation is somehow accurate in any way (simply because Nintendo did it) I find highly suspect (considering what is known about their approach to other consoles such as the SNES and N64). Can anyone back that up?

I plan to do some other minor edits to polish, but first I wanted to clear this up. Goi~Yaas~Dinn (talk)


Pretty much no VC emulator is accurate, barring GBA on the 3DS since it uses hardware, and GBA on the Wii U is decent as well, due to being coded by a third party. Also would be nice if the FDS info was still on the page, just somewhere else. The FDS versions of many games were superior to the American cart releases, and it would be good for people to know that. Syboxez (talk)

I went ahead and finished editing and polishing. Thank you for your (somewhat belated) response. Goi~Yaas~Dinn (talk) 03:56, 25 July 2017 (EDT)

Adding ares

I've been adding ares entries to all the relevant emulator pages, but this one is protected. ares gives itself a 2/4 star ratings (in terms of how many titles are playable, not actual accuracy), so it certainly would not be a recommended emulator, but I think it's still worth adding. I recommend something like this gets added:

Name Platform(s) Latest Version FDS Libretro Core Accuracy FLOSS Active Recommended
ares Windows Linux macOS v137 ✓ ✗ ? ✓ ✓ ✗

Note: it does handle FDS but I don't know the quality of the support.

BlaBlaCra (talk) 21:07, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

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