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== iOS and other platforms ==
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* [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_1|Old talk page archive]]
  
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There's no section for emulators that run on iOS, Blackberry, etc. I could fill that section in like the Android one, but just wondering if it's worthwhile or not.
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If you are looking for something to do, check the [[Getting involved]] page. There's also a [[Talk:Getting involved|Getting involved talk page]].
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:do eet--[[User:Swarhog|Swarhog]] ([[User talk:Swarhog|talk]]) 15:15, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
 
  
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Should we rename "mobile" on each of the system's pages to "android" since that seams to be what it is referring to and could confuse people with ios, windows phone, etc. 10 Feb 2015
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== Adding links to more content pages on the main page ==
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:You mean the table names on the main system's pages, like [[Nintendo Entertainment System emulators|here]]? Because the '''Operating System(s)''' row lists what platform the emulator runs on. --[[User:SonofUgly|SonofUgly]] ([[User talk:SonofUgly|talk]]) 22:06, 10 February 2015 (EST)
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I think it would improve the wiki and make it more accessible to everyone, if we added links on the main page to more content pages that don't have a link yet. I can't do it myself though, so I'd appreciate if someone else considered doing it. I have looked up all content pages at https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&hideredirects=1 and I have made a list of most of the ones that aren't yet linked on the main page, excluding all that focus on specific emulators and a few more that I thought were better off staying inside other links. Also, there's at least 2 pages on this list that aren't linked from any other page, [[XD/XD+]] and [[Thread_template]]. Here's the list:
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::That is correct also most mobile emulators are only developed for one os --[[User:Ember2528|Ember2528]] ([[User talk:Ember2528|talk]]) 22:59, 10 February 2015 (EST)
 
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:::I think listing the OS in the table is pretty clear, and the emulators listed aren't all just for Android (the majority are, but that's because most people here use Android and don't use iOS/WP8) so you'd have to remove information. I don't see how that would be beneficial. --[[User:SonofUgly|SonofUgly]] ([[User talk:SonofUgly|talk]]) 00:03, 11 February 2015 (EST)
 
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::::Fair enough then, It will be left alone --[[User:Ember2528|Ember2528]] ([[User talk:Ember2528|talk]]) 00:08, 11 February 2015 (EST)
 
  
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== Style ==
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*[[Acorn]]
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*<s>[[Apple IIGS emulators]]</s>
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*<s>[[Apply ROM Hacks and Translations]]</s>
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*<s>[[Building RetroArch]]</s>
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*<s>[[Commodore]]</s>
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*<s>[[Comparison of Emulator Frontends]]</s>
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*<s>[[Decapping]]</s>
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*<s>[[Discrete Circuitry-Based Arcade Games]]</s>
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*[[DualShock 3]]
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*[[DualShock 4]]
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*<s>[[Dummies Guide: RetroArch]]</s>
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*<s>[[Dynamic recompilation]]</s>
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*<s>[[Emulator Problems FAQ]]</s>
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*<s>[[Emulators on Switch]]</s>
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*<s>[[Famicom Color Palette]]</s>
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*<s>[[Flash]]</s>
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*[[GB/C Tests]]
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*[[XD/XD+]]
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*<s>[[Game problems FAQ]]</s>
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*[[GoodTools]]
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*[[Libretro]]
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*<s>[[Licensing]]</s>
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*<s>[[Overscan]]</s>
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*<s>[[PS1 Plugins]]</s>
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*[[PS1 Tests]]
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*<s>[[PSP Eboots]]</s>
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*<s>[[Port Forwarding Guide For Netplay]]</s>
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*[[RDI Halcyon]]
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*[[Recommended Emulators]]
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*[[SCP Driver Package]]
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*<s>[[Save Disk Space for ISOs]]</s>
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*<s>[[Scaling]]</s>
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*<s>[[Sega Pico]]</s>
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*<s>[[Source code]]</s>
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*<s>[[Super A'Can]]</s>
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*[[Thread template]]
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*<s>[[User Settings and Configs]]</s>
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*<s>[[Using RetroArch]]</s>
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*<s>[[Emulators on Wii U]]</s>
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*<s>[[Emulators on GameCube]]</s>
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*<s>[[Emulators on PS1]]</s>
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*<s>[[Emulators on Xbox]]</s>
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*<s>[[Emulators on Xbox 360]]</s>
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*<s>[[Emulators on Xbox One]]</s>
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*<s>[[Emulators on Dreamcast]]</s>
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*[[Emulators on Saturn]]
  
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Could the admin change it to a nice simple darker style? It looks quite nice. It's the style of the old Wikia. - The Red Sniper.
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-[[Special:Contributions/188.114.111.202|188.114.111.202]] 18:11, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
  
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:Here's a darker style that I use: [http://userstyles.org/styles/97180/gametechwiki-emu-gen-dark Userstyles]. It's left default as a lot of people complained about the white on grey. --[[User:SonofUgly|SonofUgly]] ([[User talk:SonofUgly|talk]]) 17:54, 27 March 2014 (EDT)
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:Thanks. I'll start adding some. -[[User:Jpx|Jpx]] ([[User talk:Jpx|talk]]) 05:52, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
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::Thank you. That was fast. -[[Special:Contributions/188.114.111.160|188.114.111.160]] 09:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
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:::More of those have been added on [[MainPageWIP]] page. - [[User:WebMint|WebMint]] ([[User talk:WebMint|talk]]) 02:27, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
  
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== Main Page Layout ==
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== New main page ==
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Post what you want/don't want instead of changing it back and forth.
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I've been thinking about remaking the main page. I'll probably create a separate WIP page to test it out.
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*[http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=6807 Murrigan's change]
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There's mainly two reasons:
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*[http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=6836 3 Columns]
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* Make it easier to contribute to the wiki - this might be things like highlighting high priority tasks on the main page
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*[http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=6840 Other]
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* Different layout of emulators - I've been thinking about separating console, computers and arcade emulators.
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Personally don't think it should have any fixed widths.<br>If you want to test something, make a new page like [[Main Page Test 1]] or take a screenshot of the preview. --[[User:SonofUgly|SonofUgly]] ([[User talk:SonofUgly|talk]]) 17:15, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
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Let me know if you got any suggestions. -[[User:Jpx|Jpx]] ([[User talk:Jpx|talk]]) 06:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
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: All right then. I claim  [[Main Page Test 1]] as mine. [[User:Jackos|Jackos]] ([[User talk:Jackos|talk]]) 17:25, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
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:Will it still be remade? - [[User:WebMint|WebMint]] ([[User talk:WebMint|talk]]) 17:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
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:: It's done. I guess. --[[User:Jackos|Jackos]] ([[User talk:Jackos|talk]]) 19:03, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
 
  
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:Might also want to add [http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=6841 this one], which is basically the last one you listed with the unified headers I made for the first one (uncentered). Which admittedly doesn't look too bad, but I'll leave it up to others to decide. [[User:Murrigan|Murrigan]] ([[User talk:Murrigan|talk]]) 17:26, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
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== Quality control ==
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Some pages are of subpar quality or outdated. I think we need some better way of quality control.
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Perhaps something like Wikipedias [[wikipedia:wikipedia:Content_assessment|Content assessment]] & [[wikipedia:wikipedia:Vital_articles|Vital aritcles]] or something like PCGamingWiki?
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A way to go thru all pages, add a category or template and then be able to list all pages that needs fixing. Perhaps we should rate the quality of all pages? -[[User:Jpx|Jpx]] ([[User talk:Jpx|talk]]) 06:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
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:[[Template:WIP|<nowiki>{{WIP}}</nowiki>]], [[Template:Outdated|<nowiki>{{Outdated}}</nowiki>]] and [[Template:stub|<nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki>]] take care of the real subpar ones, and for the rest I think it'd be best to keep it simple by either adding [[:Category:Article_complete|Category:Article_complete]] or [[:Category:Article_incomplete|Category:Article_incomplete]] to the page.
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:We should also have something to check against, so how about [[Emulation General Wiki:Guidelines]] as a guide. --[[User:SonofUgly|SonofUgly]] ([[User talk:SonofUgly|talk]]) 03:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
  
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I like the unified header one as well, but maybe do something with that picture along the lines of http://i.imgur.com/sj0R8gw.png
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== Data Loss (2021-07-03) ==
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This was the first one that changed and it just doesn't look good on my monitor http://i.imgur.com/fFhlMcu.png [[User:Special|Special]]
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Yesterday on the 2nd the wiki's database got corrupted, and I was unable to restore it. Due to an issue with mySQL logging, the server's drive was also completely full so backups of the database weren't being made. Because of these issues I've had to roll the wiki back to the most recent offline backup I had, which unfortunately is 6 months old. So to everyone who made edits in the past 6 months, I'm very sorry, I've lost those contributions.
  
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:See, that's why fixed width is probably a good thing (admittedly I dun goof'd originally when I took that away on the [http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=6806 original edit], of course); having it stretch to ANY width will make things look sparse. [[User:Murrigan|Murrigan]] ([[User talk:Murrigan|talk]]) 17:41, 26 July 2014 (EDT
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I believe I've fixed the issue with mySQL, and will be checking the server's status and making offline backups more regularly, as well as using a service to backup the server's instance in full. --[[User:SonofUgly|SonofUgly]] ([[User talk:SonofUgly|talk]]) 22:18, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
  
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A suggestion for Jackos / my 2 cents http://i.imgur.com/MU5VyUe.png Center the 'Welcome Intro' and move the threads to it's own little box, and anyway to remove all those individual 'Edit' links? -- [[User:Special|Special]]
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== TODO lists for each page? ==
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: I removed the edit links. The problem I see is that more than two boxes won't work very well with lowres monitors. I know with mine it won't work. --[[User:Jackos|Jackos]] ([[User talk:Jackos|talk]]) 20:21, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
 
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:: That's true about low resolutions, looks pretty much perfect now either way. -- [[User:Special|Special]]
 
  
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Seems like most are happy with [[Main Page Test 1]] and we'll go with it. Does anyone have any objections to that? --[[User:SonofUgly|SonofUgly]] ([[User talk:SonofUgly|talk]]) 15:35, 27 July 2014 (EDT)
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I think it'd be a good idea to add TODO lists to the talk pages of each console page. It'd help us keep track of things like which emulators need to be tested and added.
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:Seems fine to me. If we're going with this, is there any point keeping [[Template:News]]? It looks like it's not even being used on that page. If we do end up keeping it we could remove the title in it I guess. [[User:Murrigan|Murrigan]] ([[User talk:Murrigan|talk]]) 15:43, 27 July 2014 (EDT)
 
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::Keep the template. It'll be easier to edit if you guys wanna change something related to it, instead of searching through all the code already on the page. Even a template for the "Information" block would be good. --[[User:Jackos|Jackos]] ([[User talk:Jackos|talk]]) 15:48, 27 July 2014 (EDT)
 
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:::Wouldn't it be better to replace that Russian news feed with something else like an EmuCR one? The Russian one is hardly up to date with current releases like PPSSPP 0.9.9 for example, may emuCR would be to spammy with all the dev builds? -- [[User:Special|Special]]
 
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::::EmuCR posts mostly for dev builds, so it'd be pretty cluttered. To be honest it's the best one I've seen at least (and this is a discussion that happened [http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Emulation_General_Wiki#News on the old Wikia]). [[User:Murrigan|Murrigan]] ([[User talk:Murrigan|talk]]) 17:26, 27 July 2014 (EDT)
 
  
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== Assumption of "Computers" category? ==
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Side note, is there a way we can test the accuracy of NES and FDS emulation? Like determine if accuracy is low, midrange, high, or cycle accurate? ~Charlie [[User:OrphanedPixel|OrphanedPixel]] ([[User talk:OrphanedPixel|talk]]) 20:05, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
  
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There's a list under a "Computers" category. Perhaps this is known, '''but all video game consoles are computers.''' A 1978 calculator is a computer. The TVs that your parents watched when they were kids were computers(most likely). I think this is kind of differentiating people's ideas of what "computer" means, and is not a good way to describe "non-gaming purpose" computers.
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Hello, on the Fightcade page, its title should be "Fightcade", not "FightCade", if it could be changed, thanks. -ludg1e
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https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/FightCade
  
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This, I feel, further dumbs down the general populations' knowledge of technology by calling 'X' a computer, but then telling them their smartphone or such is a "phone, not a 'PC/computer!'"
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== iOS and touchHLE ==
  
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Perhaps I should give some better replacements:
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Should we get rid of iOS’s &amp;Dagger;? While it’s still in very early development, touchHLE is already able to run at least one commercial app and it looks very promising, but it’s still a far cry from what we usually would call mobile device emulation – it’s ''very'' high-level, and it’s more of an iOS substitute that runs alongside a CPU emulator. The iOS itself isn’t even planned to be supported. I personally think that the ability to run apps should alone be grounds to consider the iOS emulated, but I can see how that could be controversial. [[User:Rariteh|rariteh]] ([[User talk:Rariteh|talk]]) 05:42, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
  
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"Non-gaming computer emulators",
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It’s been a week and nobody replied, so, considering that systems like the PS4 and Super A’Can don’t have it even though the current state of their emulation is barely practical, I’ll take iOS’s off for now. [[User:Rariteh|rariteh]] ([[User talk:Rariteh|talk]]) 05:22, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
  
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"Emulators for non-consoles",
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== Mouse Injector page for emulators ==
  
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"Old system emulators", or
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Examples;
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https://github.com/garungorp/MouseInjectorDolphinDuck <br/>
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https://github.com/isJuhn/KAMI/ <br/>
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https://github.com/bkacjios/MouseInjectorDolphin/tags <br/>
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https://github.com/marinesciencedude/xenia-canary-mousehook <br/>
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https://github.com/emoose/xenia/releases
  
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"Emulators for non-game consoles".
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Done. [[Controllers#Mouse_Injectors_for_Emulators]].
  
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:What about "Personal Computers"? Most people think of desktop, multi-purpose computers when they hear this. --[[User:Swarhog|Swarhog]] ([[User talk:Swarhog|talk]]) 17:20, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
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== "Compatibility" column for each page? ==
  
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:Seems pedantic. Sure consoles, calculators, phones, etc. are computers, but you place a phone, SNES, and personal computer/home computer/desktop PC/whatever next to each other and then ask someone to turn on the 'Computer', they're not gonna touch the phone or the SNES.<br>"Non-gaming computer emulators" - plenty of people gamed on their DOS computers. "Emulators for non-consoles" - even 'console' is fairly ambiguous when talking about something like the MSX or Commodore. "Old system emulators" - a SNES is an old system. "Emulators for non-game consoles" - see one and two.<br>They're computers.--[[User:SonofUgly|SonofUgly]] ([[User talk:SonofUgly|talk]]) 17:54, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
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<s> Because most people confusing "Accuracy" with "Compatibility" actually, what do you guys think?
  
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Ok ... how about "Other Emulators" then? A Nintendo Handheld can be just as much as a "personal computer" as an Amiga/Commodore 64 once was.
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Example;
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<div style="max-width:100%; overflow:auto;">
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
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|-
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! scope="col"|Name
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! scope="col"|Platform(s)
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! scope="col"|Latest Version
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! scope="col"|<abbr title="Game Boy and Game Boy Color backwards compatibility emulation for Game Boy Advance">GB/GBC</abbr>
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! scope="col"|NDS
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! scope="col"|[https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Game_Boy_Advance_emulators#Connectivity Single<br/>Pak]
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! scope="col"|[https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Game_Boy_Advance_emulators#Connectivity Multi<br/>Pak]
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! scope="col"|[https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Game_Boy_Advance_emulators#Connectivity Wireless]
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! scope="col"|[https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Game_Boy_Advance_emulators#GameCube_Connectivity GBA-to-GC]
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! scope="col"|[https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/GBA_e-Reader_emulators e-Reader]
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! scope="col"|[[libretro]]
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! scope="col"|[[Emulation Accuracy|Accuracy]]
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! scope="col"|Compatibility
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! scope="col"|<abbr title="Free/Libre and Open-Source Software">FLOSS</abbr>
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! scope="col"|Active
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! scope="col"|[[Recommended Emulators|Recommended]]
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|-
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!colspan="16"|PC /x86
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|-
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|[[mGBA]]
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|align=left|{{Icon|Windows|Linux|macOS|FreeBSD|Web}}
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|[https://mgba.io/builds/1/ Dev builds]<br/> [https://mgba.io/downloads.html {{MGBAVer}}]
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|{{✓}} ||{{~}} ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||{{✗}} <small>[https://mgba.io/timeline.html#IN+THE+FUTURE (WIP)]</small> ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||High ||[https://wiki.gbatemp.net/wiki/MGBA High] ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}} ||{{✓}}
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|}
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</div>
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</s>
  
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:Or how about Computers/PCs, as that's what everyone calls them by? No one calls a GameBoy a personal computer. --[[User:SonofUgly|SonofUgly]] ([[User talk:SonofUgly|talk]]) 16:50, 30 July 2014 (EDT)
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[[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 12:07, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
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:: ^ This. As the Wikipedia says "''(...) The term "video game console" is used to distinguish a machine designed for consumers to use for playing video games on a separate television in contrast to arcade machines, handheld game consoles, or home computers.''"; Or my dictionary "''games console: A small electronic device for playing computerized video games.''" --[[User:Jackos|Jackos]] ([[User talk:Jackos|talk]]) 17:44, 30 July 2014 (EDT)
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:I'm cool with it if others are, also you could remove the Libretro column since you added libretro to all the Latest Version columns. - [[User:OldManKain|OldManKain]] ([[User talk:OldManKain|talk]]) 05:28, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
  
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I'm a bit disappointed to see that nobody is getting where I'm coming from. I am aware of what most people call them, but the terminology is what I propose that we go against and come up with a new way of describing these computers without making anything contrasting/different to them as "less of a computer" in the eyes of society. When someone says their smartphone is not a computer, that's someone ignorant to what a computer is (or what defines as a computer). When we further that agenda here we are just fueling that same mindset that's wrong. This is why I said let's come up with a way of categorizing these systems in a way that doesn't reflect negatively on the view of what constitutes a computer in the other categories. Just because "everyone says 'X' things are 'Y'" doesn't mean we should stray along with common beliefs. Just consider this: Is Playstation 3 a computer? Yep. It has a microprocessor, RAM, a GPU. Does your "PC" have a microprocessor, RAM, and a GPU? Yep. Based on the latter, we can confirm that Playstation 3 is no less a computer than your desktop build ... or Gameboy Color ... or Atari even (same fundamentals, just with very limited resources). Do you consider your PS3, Vita, etc. to be "personal"? If you do, it's technically a "personal computer". This is why I'm arguing semantics here where it counts. The "PC" has no real meaning/definition ... find me one that defines what exactly makes something a "PC" and what makes it not one. People often consider "anything sitting on their desk that runs Windows" to be a PC, even though plenty of us know that OS X is compiled for the exact same architecture, has drivers for the same GPUs, and has a platform almost identical to that Windows/Linux/etc. runs on. It's just a thought, of course.
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== How about some drastic changes? ==
  
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: I also found this: http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/what-term-personal-computer "General operation by a single user." That tells us that the way most people think of it is not historically correct. You can research what IBM considered "PC" to mean, and how that has evolved and misled millions of people now who think "PC" constitutes form factor or don't even know what the hell it means ... just that they know it means whatever the "smarter" person tells them it means. This is why I feel that terminology matters more than bullet-biting and just using the "common" (and also wrongly believed) terminology for it.
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How about no recommendation from now on? Also providing "compatibility" column instead of "accuracy" so there will be no confusion.<br/>
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I mean we're already providing info about [[PlayStation_emulators#Hardware_Features_and_Peripherals|hardware feature support, peripherals]], [[PlayStation_emulators#Arcade_variations|variations]], [[PlayStation_emulators#Enhancements|enhancements]] and compatibility. Wiki users should decide their own favorite, no? Otherwise, it will be total mess like [[Game_Boy/Game_Boy_Color_emulators#Emulators]].
  
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:'''"Ma'am, I'm afraid your son has autism."''' --[[User:Swarhog|Swarhog]]
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<div style="max-width:100%;overflow:auto;">
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
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! scope="col"|Name
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! scope="col"|Platform(s)
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! scope="col"|Version
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! scope="col"|<small>[[PlayStation_emulators#Arcade_variations|Arcade<br/>Variations]]</small>
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! scope="col"|<small>[[PlayStation_emulators#Hardware_Features_and_Peripherals|Hardware Features<br/>and Peripherals]]</small>
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! scope="col"|[[PlayStation_emulators#Enhancements|Enhancements]]
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! scope="col"|Compatibility
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! scope="col"|<abbr title="Free/Libre and Open-Source Software">FLOSS</abbr>
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! scope="col"|Active
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|-
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|[[DuckStation]]
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|align=left|{{Icon|Windows|Linux|Mac}}
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|[https://github.com/stenzek/duckstation/releases/tag/preview Preview]<br />[https://github.com/stenzek/duckstation/releases/tag/latest Latest]<br />[https://github.com/stenzek/duckstation/releases/tag/legacy Legacy]<abbr title="If you are having problems with the new builds, you can use this one instead.">*</abbr><br/>[https://buildbot.libretro.com/nightly/ <abbr title="Hard fork and open-source Libretro core implementation of DuckStation">SwanStation</abbr>]
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|{{✗}}
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|{{~}}
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|{{✓}}
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|~xx%<br/><small>of tested titles.</small>
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|{{✓}}
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|{{✓}}
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|-
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|[[Mednafen]]
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|align=left|{{Icon|Windows|Linux|macOS|FreeBSD}}
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|[{{MednafenURL|releases/}} {{MednafenVer}}]<br/>[https://buildbot.libretro.com/nightly/ <abbr title="This is port of Mednafen PSX core to the libretro API.">Beetle/Beetle HW</abbr>]
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|{{✗}}
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|{{~}}
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|{{~}}
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|~xx%<br/><small>of tested titles.</small>
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|{{✓}}
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|{{✓}}
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|-
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|[[XEBRA]]
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|align=left|{{Icon|Windows}}
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|[https://drhell.web.fc2.com/ps1/xebra221106.zip {{XebraVer}}]
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|{{✗}}
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|{{~}}
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|{{✗}}
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|~xx%<br/><small>of tested titles.</small>
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|{{✗}}
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|{{✓}}
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|}
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</div>
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[[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 00:39, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
  
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:This is a small niche wiki for a niche hobby, we're not changing any societal definitions, or following an agenda one way or the other. "Computer" is used to clearly categorize emulators that everyone else refers to as computer emulators so they can quickly find what they're looking for, and know what the other systems under the category are for. --[[User:SonofUgly|SonofUgly]] ([[User talk:SonofUgly|talk]]) 15:38, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
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:I like combining "Arcade variations", "Hardware features and peripherals" and "Enhancements" into one column each. Compatibility column sounds good, but maybe keep accuracy. I don't like removing recommendations, instead we should remove some of the recommended on the GB page (and on other pages), try to keep it to as few as possible recommend by following the rules on the [[Recommended emulators]] page, should be around two-three recommended only. -[[User:Jpx|Jpx]] ([[User talk:Jpx|talk]]) 10:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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::^^This, also dat autism. :/ -- [[User:Special|Special]]
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== "Pressure Sensitive Buttons" column for each page? ==
  
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All right, call me autistic. I guess tossing insults is what we've come down to here, so the intelligent discussion ends now.
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Source: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_that_support_Pressure-Sensitive_Face_Buttons#Emulation
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<br/>Examples;
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<br/>https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php?title=PlayStation_2_emulators&curid=372&diff=54766&oldid=54716
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<br/>https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php?title=PlayStation_3_emulators&curid=382&diff=54765&oldid=54530
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<br/>[[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 16:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
  
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== TODO ==
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== Why are x86 emulators placed on the Pong page? ==
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There's still plenty to do if you're looking for something to edit.
 
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*A lot of stuff needs updated (particularly [[RetroArch]] stuff, like [[Using RetroArch|using]] and [[Building RetroArch|building]]).
 
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*There's probably a lot of spelling and grammar issues all over.
 
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*The [[List of shaders and filters]] needs finished. Also probably a good idea to retake all the images with a more standardizable image so it's easier for others to add to it.
 
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*Some interesting page stubs that could be expanded: [[Decapping]], [[Cheats and Patches]], [[History of emulation]], [[User Settings and Configs]], [[Vsync|Synchronization]].
 
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*Expanding on [[Emulators on Android]], Mac, iOS, WP8, etc. would be helpful.
 
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And just in general, adding more info to [[Special:ShortPages|pages that need it]].
 
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:I'm also in the process of marking what pages [[:Category:Candidates_for_deletion|should be removed]] based on whether they're actually useful or not, and marking which pages are [[:Category:Article_stubs|stubs]] (as in, need adding to). I'll be removing the ones marked for deletion within a week, so feedback would be grateful if anyone happens to think they need to stay. [[User:Murrigan|Murrigan]] ([[User talk:Murrigan|talk]]) 13:36, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
 
  
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They used to have their own page and easily accessible. Now they are listed with Pong and other chips, and not even listed under the "Personal Computers" section (its namesake) of home page, which is where people look for PC emulators.
  
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== Is the FAQ section getting crowded? ==
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Wouldn't it be better to create a specific x86 page?
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For example the 'CRT monitors' 'CRT TVs' pages can just go into the 'Display FAQ' page because this seems pretty redundant, and the 'PSP Eboots' page seems pretty pointless as is too, I would just put a section about converting PS1 games to Eboots in the 'Ripping Games' page since we have that already, the rest of the 'PSP Eboots' page are just download links so put those in 'ROM/ISO Sites' page. Just some ideas for cleaning up the FAQs section. --[[User:Special|Special]]
 
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:Sounds good to me. A few of them (the CRT links in particular) are actually already detailed and otherwise linked in the Displays page, so those should be a fairly easy job. [[User:Murrigan|Murrigan]] ([[User talk:Murrigan|talk]]) 12:49, 1 December 2014 (EST)
 
  
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== Making a clean break with a new community: ==
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== Tamagotchi line for Bandai Handhelds or dedicated consoles section? ==
  
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I think 4chan's /vg/ is a bad place. We should start anew. 8Khan allows you to make your own boards. I've made an Emulation board on there for us:
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<s>[https://tamagotchi.fandom.com/wiki/Tamagotchi_(franchise)#Releases This is a chronological list of all Tamagotchi virtual pets that have been released].<br/>
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[https://github.com/jcrona/tamatool tamatool] <br/>
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[[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 22:07, 16 June 2023 (UTC)</s> Done, thanks to;
  
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http://8ch.net/emulation/res/1.html
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I made a stub page about its emulators. [[Tamagotchi]]
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[[User:Randname|Randname]] ([[User talk:Randname|talk]]) 09:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
  
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--[[User:8KhanBaron|8KhanBaron]] ([[User talk:8KhanBaron|talk]]) 20:16, 27 April 2015 (EDT)
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== Brick Game & 9999 in 1 ==
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[https://retroconsoles.fandom.com/wiki/Brick_Game Fandom wiki: Brick Game]<br/>
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Anyone interested?<br/>
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<s> https://github.com/Chrscool8/Brick-Game-9999-in-1-for-Switch/tags <br/>
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.perseusgames.brickgame <br/>
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https://github.com/n0Live/BrickGame/tags <br/>
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https://github.com/premek/brick <br/>
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https://github.com/azya52/BrickEmuPy <br/>
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[[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 22:07, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
  
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:Nah. This is still the emugen wiki.
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- The issue here is "Brick Game 9999-in-1" is a very vague name and they are like millions of variations of this kind of Tetris stuff back in the 1990s. It's better just listed in "Dedicated consoles" or "Strange & forgotten consoles" if decided to be included in this Wiki rather than having its own page or even in the Main Page. [[User:Randname|Randname]] ([[User talk:Randname|talk]]) 02:10, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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:This thing will blow over eventually. Until then, learn to filter. --[[User:SonofUgly|SonofUgly]] ([[User talk:SonofUgly|talk]]) 20:20, 27 April 2015 (EDT)
 
  
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It's not just the Rachel thing. EmuGen used to be one of the only Generals on /vg/ that was actually what it was supposed to do. Slow and on topic. Then came the drama, the flamewars, the trolls, just all sorts of bullshit. It's not ending. That's why I just want to make a clean break. Emulation is big enough for its own board. 8khan is a niche site now, but let's see if we can make it grow.
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+ Yeah I agree with you but these machines were quite popular in the 90s so i'm not entirely sure what should be done with it. [[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] 09:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
  
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Part of the problems are the "General" format itself. It works like an IRC chat room. Tends to be clique-y, with the same people over and over again. Identities get known. People sit and troll and wait for
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MAME now emulates [https://github.com/mamedev/mame/pull/11872 Brick Games 96-in-1 (E-23 Plus Mark II)]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZfDkckRGgs    [[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] 13:08, 25 December 2023 (UTC)</s><br/>
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;[[Dedicated_Consoles#Brick_Game|Done]].
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[[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] 09:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
  
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A true board is better. Each thread for an actual topic or question. I'm sick of 4chan and 4chan culture. I want to make imageboards how they are supposed to be. "Anonymous" names were used to avoid forum drama. But it's just being usd as an invitation to trolling and bullshit.--[[User:8KhanBaron|8KhanBaron]] ([[User talk:8KhanBaron|talk]]) 20:42, 27 April 2015 (EDT)
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== Put "General Emulation" section first ==
 +
I recommend you put the "General Emulation" section to top as opposed to having these sections in alphabetical order since I believe "General Emulation" contains devices and systems much more people care about and are interested in and this also doesn't make the new design that much more foreign to the old one?
  
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:When an emugen was created on the first 8chan bubble it was the exact same thing, people bitching and starting drama over 4chan's emugen. If 8chan got popular and the emulation board took off, it'd be the same shit. It's just how a lot of people are in the emulation community.
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*Was done, thanks.
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:And 8chan just isn't big enough, you might get a few people interested and posting for a day or two, but just like the emugen thread before, and the emugen board before, interest will quickly die off.
 
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:This is a wiki from and for 4chan; if you don't like 4chan, sorry, but I don't see it changing any time soon. --[[User:SonofUgly|SonofUgly]] ([[User talk:SonofUgly|talk]]) 21:01, 27 April 2015 (EDT)
 
  
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The hot pockets have become very selective in their handling of off-topic posts. Trigger them too much and they might decide
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*Edit: WTF is the new sections design now? So many random stuff and big things like Android, iOS and etc. are sooo way down the bottom, the new design doesn't make good sense at all.
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that /emugen/ is just too problematic for 2015 4chan. Just a thought. --[[User:Swarhog|Swarhog]] ([[User talk:Swarhog|talk]]) 21:45, 27 April 2015 (EDT)
 
  
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== Case-insensitive search ==
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== Endangered Category Rules ==
  
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I think case-insensitive search should get implemented here. Considering that emulator names are often a bit of a mess of letters in different cases and sometimes spelling there isn't even standardized clearly, this is a necessary change. Maybe bug ITEM-3 about this if your permissions aren't high enough, this shouldn't hurt the Game Tech Wiki either.--[[User:NOptimus|NOptimus]] ([[User talk:NOptimus|talk]])
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To make sure this category doesn't bloated with too many Games, Software and Hardware, the rules below need to be followed.
  
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== reducing the size of games while keeping them instantly playable in their respective emulators ==
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*Games, Software and Hardware must have their own page
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*They must be historically significant
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*Their page must give a reason why their significant & endangered
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*They must be Undumped and or Undocumented
  
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There's a good guide for this on leddit.
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(Note about the last one: The concern is not that these Games, Software and Hardware are Unemulated \ Unsimulated, the concern is they haven't been dumped and or documented.)
  
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https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/3g933n/guide_reduce_the_size_of_your_ps2_gc_wii_x360_ds/
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Any Games, Software or Hardware that don't pass the four rules check, gets be added to the [[Endangered list]]
  
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I think it needs to be copied to a new article here.
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== adding "Protoweb" and "WaybackProxy" projects to "Not really emulators section? ==
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:i think we let that fucking bullshit stay over there --[[User:YOU&#39;RE MOM|YOU&#39;RE MOM]] ([[User talk:YOU&#39;RE MOM|talk]]) 19:04, 13 August 2015 (EDT)
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::Not that I'm saying it's not bullshit, but...why is it 'fucking bullshit'? It seems pretty okay to me, so is there some drawback to these approaches that makes it inappropriate for the wiki? (Which is my one go-to resource for emulation tips, by the way! I'd like to thank all the contributors.) --[[Special:Contributions/45.40.64.141|45.40.64.141]] 02:08, 14 August 2015 (EDT)
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<s>These are quite useful for "PC operating systems (OS)" section ([[POS_(Pong_Consoles)_CPUs_and_Other_Chips#x86_CPUs|DOS-based, Windows 1.0x/2x/3x series]], [[Windows_95/98/ME_emulators|Windows 9x series]], [[Windows_2000/XP/Vista_emulators|Windows NT series]] and [[MacOS|MacOS]]). I'm not sure which section is the right place for these proxy projects.<br/>
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:::The guide neglects to mention very important things, but I don't see why an improved article wouldn't be appropriate here. Most importantly, the guide does not inform readers that some of the conversions are irreversible. Once a clean X360 .iso or DS rom gets trimmed following the instructions in the guide, it is irreversible. The data that is removed is garbage/padding data, and the game still works the same in emulators after conversion, but nonetheless it makes it an imperfect copy of the game. I have personally encountered downloads where important data such as music or video has been ripped out of the game to save space, so I understand that some are uncomfortable with removing any data at all, even if it is garbage/padding data; it is not archive-quality. The compression the guide mentions for gamecube, wii, and PS2 is perfectly reversible though. Don't know about the other systems. --[[User:Awry|Awry]] ([[User talk:Awry|talk]]) 01:46, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
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::::I can understand the concerns for archival purposes, yeah. And I've encountered a few bad rips with missing video in my time, which is always annoying. Still, it seems like noting those things in the article would be enough, with those kinds of caveats and pitfalls being listed. --[[Special:Contributions/104.243.86.197|104.243.86.197]] 06:45, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
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[https://github.com/richardg867/WaybackProxy WaybackProxy] <br/>
 +
[https://protoweb.org ProtoWeb]</s>
 +
 
 +
[[Preservation_projects|Done]].
 +
 
 +
[[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 00:49, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 +
 
 +
== OC column for each system? ==
 +
 
 +
<s> Similar to "Texture/Sprite Replacement" and "RIR" columns i think now its time to add "OC" column for each of these pages;
 +
 
 +
68000 Clock Divider for [[Sega_Genesis_emulators|Genesis]]: [https://old.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/15k4rcp/weekly_question_thread/jv7o5rw/ Supported by BlastEm and MAME].<br/>
 +
Adjusting blitter speed for [[Atari_Jaguar_emulators#Comparisons|Jaguar/Jaguar CD]]: Supported by BigPEmu.<br/>
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Adjusting CPU Clock Speed for [[3DO_emulators#Comparison|3DO]]: Supported by opera_libretro / 4DO. </br>
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Virtual cpu clock control for [[Xbox_emulators#Comparisons|original Xbox]]: Supported by xemu PR[1467].<br/>
 +
Extra scanlines of processing? for [[Nintendo_Entertainment_System_emulators|NES]] and [[Super_Nintendo_emulators|SNES]] emulators</s>
 +
 
 +
Done. (see #enhancement section for each page)
 +
 
 +
[[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 17:02, 08 Aug 2023 (UTC)
 +
 
 +
== Hybrid DVD player/gaming systems ==
 +
 
 +
[[Wikipedia:Sixth_generation_of_video_game_consoles#Other_consoles|Nuon, Panasonic Q and PSX (DVR)]] needs to be in "hybrid" category, right?
 +
 
 +
[[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 04:41, 05 December 2023 (UTC)
 +
 
 +
== win9x, dos or other "ancient" emulators ==
 +
 
 +
for example: [[NESticle|nesticle]] is still in the [[Nintendo_Entertainment_System_emulators]] page, i think we should only keep these older emulators in [[History_of_emulation]] and [[Emulators_on_DOS]] pages.
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[[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 18:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 +
 
 +
== New page for CD/DVD copy protection emulation ==
 +
 
 +
*[https://ccm.net/apps-sites/software/4147-enable-advanced-emulation-on-daemon-tools-lite/ Daemon Tools]
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*[https://github.com/Luca1991/DiscCheckEmu Luca1991's DiscCheckEmu] (only for disc checks, no support for disc-based protections)
 +
 
 +
Useful resources
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:[https://github.com/joncampbell123/dosbox-x/issues/211 DOSBox-X issue page: SafeDisc / SecuROM emulation for games]
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:[[Wikipedia:List of Compact Disc and DVD copy protection schemes]]
 +
 
 +
[[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 17:10, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
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 +
 
 +
== Changing latest version, active status, and download in tables ==
 +
*How about making some changes to how we present latest version and active status for emulators in tables?
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 +
Maybe include a date for the last update, like 2024-03-09?
 +
 
 +
Maybe use a template for the download links, so it's easily updated and can be mirrored on multiple pages?
 +
 
 +
Other suggestions? -[[User:Jpx|Jpx]] ([[User talk:Jpx|talk]]) 14:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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:*I like the idea, but I would like to know how we might create a template for the download links in the event that the links have distinct domain names and may dynamically change. [[User:Chipsum|<span style="letter-spacing:.1em;color:#212121;text-shadow:5px 1px 0 #ffb650,10px 2px 0 #62ffc5,15px 3px 0 #ff80bf,20px 4px 0 #ef5097,25px 5px 0 #6868ac">'''Chipsum'''</span>]] <sub>[[User_talk:Chipsum|<span>'''(✉️)'''</span>]]</sub> 18:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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 +
::*I've been thinking the same thing actually, i've also been thinking the website could benefit from some minor design changes. For example, left and right columns are huge problem to the large tables, these wide columns making the large tables feel even more cumbersome. Even the [[MainPageWIP]] page utilizes these large columns: https://imgur.com/a/ZnBH3PA  [[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 17:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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:::*The right column is fixable, the left one is part of mediawiki default design, I am a webdev I can solve that but <s>I don't know who is the webmaster</s> it's up to [[User:SonofUgly|@SonofUgly]]. As for the tables I am wrapping them between <code><nowiki><div style="overflow-x:auto"></nowiki></code>, this will make the table responsive on mobile (and also on any viewport) it will create an overflow if it overflow's the page's container and adds horizontal scrolling bars on PC and on mobile you swap left and right to scroll the table (without any change to the page).[[User:Chipsum|<span style="letter-spacing:.1em;color:#212121;text-shadow:5px 1px 0 #ffb650,10px 2px 0 #62ffc5,15px 3px 0 #ff80bf,20px 4px 0 #ef5097,25px 5px 0 #6868ac">'''Chipsum'''</span>]] <sub>[[User_talk:Chipsum|<span>'''(✉️)'''</span>]]</sub> 12:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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== I propose this header colors and style ==
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*So what do you say, I am thinking of removing the right td which contains the 4chan thread (and place it somewhere else)
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{| style="width:100%; background:#E0F7FA; margin-top: 0.6em; border:1px solid #00BCD4; border-collapse: collapse;"
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| style="width:100%; color:#000;" |
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{| style="width: 100%; border:none; background:none;"
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| style="text-align:center; color:#03A9F4;" |
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<div style="font-size:2em; border:none; padding:.1em; color:#009688;">Welcome to the Emulation General Wiki</div>
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<div style="top:+0.2em; font-size:1em;">The wiki dedicated to all things emulation.</div>
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<div id="articlecount" style="width:100%; text-align:center; font-size:1em;">There are <span style="font-size:1.6em"><b><i>[[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}]]</i></b></span> articles already. Why not explore them?</div>
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|}
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|}
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[[User:Chipsum|<span style="letter-spacing:.1em;color:#212121;text-shadow:5px 1px 0 #ffb650,10px 2px 0 #62ffc5,15px 3px 0 #ff80bf,20px 4px 0 #ef5097,25px 5px 0 #6868ac">'''Chipsum'''</span>]] <sub>[[User_talk:Chipsum|<span>'''(✉️)'''</span>]]</sub> 21:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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*I tried to design an alternative logo, what do you say[https://i.imgur.com/QZQwGHA.png][https://i.imgur.com/oMeHXqs.png] [[User:Chipsum|<span style="letter-spacing:.1em;color:#212121;text-shadow:5px 1px 0 #ffb650,10px 2px 0 #62ffc5,15px 3px 0 #ff80bf,20px 4px 0 #ef5097,25px 5px 0 #6868ac">'''Chipsum'''</span>]] <sub>[[User_talk:Chipsum|<span>'''(✉️)'''</span>]]</sub> 14:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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<br>
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*Some of the most beautifully designed mediawikis, to be inspired by [https://niwanetwork.org/members/]
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*I suggest that the icons precede the name:
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<div style="background: #f1e7fb; border:1px solid #dcccef; margin: 8px; text-align:left; padding: 0 8px; font-weight: bold; font-size: 16px;">[[File:Philips shield (2013).png|30px]] [[Philips]]</div>
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[[User:Chipsum|<span style="letter-spacing:.1em;color:#212121;text-shadow:5px 1px 0 #ffb650,10px 2px 0 #62ffc5,15px 3px 0 #ff80bf,20px 4px 0 #ef5097,25px 5px 0 #6868ac">'''Chipsum'''</span>]] <sub>[[User_talk:Chipsum|<span>'''(✉️)'''</span>]]</sub> 16:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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:+The icon you suggested looks great, I like it. [[User:Ahayri|Ahayri]] ([[User talk:Ahayri|talk]]) 16:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
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::Thank you [[User:Ahayri|@Ahayri]] ! glad you liked it. [[User:Chipsum|<span style="letter-spacing:.1em;color:#212121;text-shadow:5px 1px 0 #ffb650,10px 2px 0 #62ffc5,15px 3px 0 #ff80bf,20px 4px 0 #ef5097,25px 5px 0 #6868ac">'''Chipsum'''</span>]] <sub>[[User_talk:Chipsum|<span>'''(✉️)'''</span>]]</sub> 18:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
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== InfoBox ==
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<div>
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I suggest this style for infoboxes, colors are demonstrative only you can change them or probably we make a variety of colored infoboxes,<br>
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I replaced the caption with a span inside the infobox, with a background color to make it look like a caption.<br>
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if all is ok, we still need the confirmation of the webmaster, since it's not possible to change the css of an infobox without accessing css files for it.
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<div>
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<table style="
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float: right;
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width: 300px;
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font-size: 1em;
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text-align: left;
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border: 1px solid #00BCD4; /* COLORS TO CHANGE AS YOU MAY LIKE :D */
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margin:0.5em 0 0.5em 1em;
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background-color: #E0F7FA;
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padding: 1em;
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border-radius: 20px;
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box-shadow: 0px 6px 0px 0px #00BCD4;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3">
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    <tr>
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        <td colspan="2" style="text-align:center"><span
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                style="font-size: 1.6em; font-weight: bold; padding: 0.3em; border-radius: 0.3em; background-color: #00bcd4; display: block; color: white">Android</span>
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    </tr>
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    <tr>
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    </tr>
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    <tr>
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        <th>Developer</th>
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        <td>Google<br> Open Handset Alliance</td>
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    </tr>
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    <tr>
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        <th>Release date</th>
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        <td>2008</td>
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    </tr>
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    <tr>
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        <th>Emulated</th>
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        <td data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #D2FFD2; color: black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center;"
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            class="table-yes2">✓</td>
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    <tr style="font-size:0; line-height:0;">
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        <td style="width:50%; padding:0">
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</table>
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Adding links to more content pages on the main page

I think it would improve the wiki and make it more accessible to everyone, if we added links on the main page to more content pages that don't have a link yet. I can't do it myself though, so I'd appreciate if someone else considered doing it. I have looked up all content pages at https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&hideredirects=1 and I have made a list of most of the ones that aren't yet linked on the main page, excluding all that focus on specific emulators and a few more that I thought were better off staying inside other links. Also, there's at least 2 pages on this list that aren't linked from any other page, XD/XD+ and Thread_template. Here's the list:

-188.114.111.202 18:11, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll start adding some. -Jpx (talk) 05:52, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. That was fast. -188.114.111.160 09:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
More of those have been added on MainPageWIP page. - WebMint (talk) 02:27, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

New main page

I've been thinking about remaking the main page. I'll probably create a separate WIP page to test it out. There's mainly two reasons:

  • Make it easier to contribute to the wiki - this might be things like highlighting high priority tasks on the main page
  • Different layout of emulators - I've been thinking about separating console, computers and arcade emulators.

Let me know if you got any suggestions. -Jpx (talk) 06:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Will it still be remade? - WebMint (talk) 17:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Quality control

Some pages are of subpar quality or outdated. I think we need some better way of quality control. Perhaps something like Wikipedias Content assessment & Vital aritcles or something like PCGamingWiki? A way to go thru all pages, add a category or template and then be able to list all pages that needs fixing. Perhaps we should rate the quality of all pages? -Jpx (talk) 06:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

{{WIP}}, {{Outdated}} and {{stub}} take care of the real subpar ones, and for the rest I think it'd be best to keep it simple by either adding Category:Article_complete or Category:Article_incomplete to the page.
We should also have something to check against, so how about Emulation General Wiki:Guidelines as a guide. --SonofUgly (talk) 03:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Data Loss (2021-07-03)

Yesterday on the 2nd the wiki's database got corrupted, and I was unable to restore it. Due to an issue with mySQL logging, the server's drive was also completely full so backups of the database weren't being made. Because of these issues I've had to roll the wiki back to the most recent offline backup I had, which unfortunately is 6 months old. So to everyone who made edits in the past 6 months, I'm very sorry, I've lost those contributions.

I believe I've fixed the issue with mySQL, and will be checking the server's status and making offline backups more regularly, as well as using a service to backup the server's instance in full. --SonofUgly (talk) 22:18, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

TODO lists for each page?

I think it'd be a good idea to add TODO lists to the talk pages of each console page. It'd help us keep track of things like which emulators need to be tested and added.

Side note, is there a way we can test the accuracy of NES and FDS emulation? Like determine if accuracy is low, midrange, high, or cycle accurate? ~Charlie OrphanedPixel (talk) 20:05, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, on the Fightcade page, its title should be "Fightcade", not "FightCade", if it could be changed, thanks. -ludg1e https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/FightCade

iOS and touchHLE

Should we get rid of iOS’s &Dagger;? While it’s still in very early development, touchHLE is already able to run at least one commercial app and it looks very promising, but it’s still a far cry from what we usually would call mobile device emulation – it’s very high-level, and it’s more of an iOS substitute that runs alongside a CPU emulator. The iOS itself isn’t even planned to be supported. I personally think that the ability to run apps should alone be grounds to consider the iOS emulated, but I can see how that could be controversial. rariteh (talk) 05:42, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

It’s been a week and nobody replied, so, considering that systems like the PS4 and Super A’Can don’t have it even though the current state of their emulation is barely practical, I’ll take iOS’s off for now. rariteh (talk) 05:22, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Mouse Injector page for emulators

Examples; https://github.com/garungorp/MouseInjectorDolphinDuck
https://github.com/isJuhn/KAMI/
https://github.com/bkacjios/MouseInjectorDolphin/tags
https://github.com/marinesciencedude/xenia-canary-mousehook
https://github.com/emoose/xenia/releases

Done. Controllers#Mouse_Injectors_for_Emulators.

"Compatibility" column for each page?

Because most people confusing "Accuracy" with "Compatibility" actually, what do you guys think?

Example;

Name Platform(s) Latest Version GB/GBC NDS Single
Pak 		Multi
Pak 		Wireless GBA-to-GC e-Reader libretro Accuracy Compatibility FLOSS Active Recommended
PC /x86
mGBA Windows Linux macOS FreeBSD Web Dev builds
0.10.3 		✓ ~ ✓ ✓ ✗ (WIP) ✓ ✓ ✓ High High ✓ ✓ ✓

Ahayri (talk) 12:07, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm cool with it if others are, also you could remove the Libretro column since you added libretro to all the Latest Version columns. - OldManKain (talk) 05:28, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

How about some drastic changes?

How about no recommendation from now on? Also providing "compatibility" column instead of "accuracy" so there will be no confusion.
I mean we're already providing info about hardware feature support, peripherals, variations, enhancements and compatibility. Wiki users should decide their own favorite, no? Otherwise, it will be total mess like Game_Boy/Game_Boy_Color_emulators#Emulators.

Name Platform(s) Version Arcade
Variations 		Hardware Features
and Peripherals 		Enhancements Compatibility FLOSS Active
DuckStation Windows Linux macOS Preview
Latest
Legacy*
SwanStation 		✗ ~ ✓ ~xx%
of tested titles. 		✓ ✓
Mednafen Windows Linux macOS FreeBSD 1.32.1
Beetle/Beetle HW 		✗ ~ ~ ~xx%
of tested titles. 		✓ ✓
XEBRA Windows 22/11/06 ✗ ~ ✗ ~xx%
of tested titles. 		✗ ✓

Ahayri (talk) 00:39, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

I like combining "Arcade variations", "Hardware features and peripherals" and "Enhancements" into one column each. Compatibility column sounds good, but maybe keep accuracy. I don't like removing recommendations, instead we should remove some of the recommended on the GB page (and on other pages), try to keep it to as few as possible recommend by following the rules on the Recommended emulators page, should be around two-three recommended only. -Jpx (talk) 10:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

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"Pressure Sensitive Buttons" column for each page?

Source: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_that_support_Pressure-Sensitive_Face_Buttons#Emulation
Examples;
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php?title=PlayStation_2_emulators&curid=372&diff=54766&oldid=54716
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php?title=PlayStation_3_emulators&curid=382&diff=54765&oldid=54530
Ahayri (talk) 16:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Why are x86 emulators placed on the Pong page?

They used to have their own page and easily accessible. Now they are listed with Pong and other chips, and not even listed under the "Personal Computers" section (its namesake) of home page, which is where people look for PC emulators.

Wouldn't it be better to create a specific x86 page?

Tamagotchi line for Bandai Handhelds or dedicated consoles section?

This is a chronological list of all Tamagotchi virtual pets that have been released.
tamatool
Ahayri (talk) 22:07, 16 June 2023 (UTC) Done, thanks to;

I made a stub page about its emulators. Tamagotchi

Randname (talk) 09:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Brick Game & 9999 in 1

Fandom wiki: Brick Game
Anyone interested?
https://github.com/Chrscool8/Brick-Game-9999-in-1-for-Switch/tags
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.perseusgames.brickgame
https://github.com/n0Live/BrickGame/tags
https://github.com/premek/brick
https://github.com/azya52/BrickEmuPy
Ahayri (talk) 22:07, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

- The issue here is "Brick Game 9999-in-1" is a very vague name and they are like millions of variations of this kind of Tetris stuff back in the 1990s. It's better just listed in "Dedicated consoles" or "Strange & forgotten consoles" if decided to be included in this Wiki rather than having its own page or even in the Main Page. Randname (talk) 02:10, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

+ Yeah I agree with you but these machines were quite popular in the 90s so i'm not entirely sure what should be done with it. Ahayri 09:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

MAME now emulates Brick Games 96-in-1 (E-23 Plus Mark II): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZfDkckRGgs Ahayri 13:08, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Done.

Ahayri 09:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Put "General Emulation" section first

I recommend you put the "General Emulation" section to top as opposed to having these sections in alphabetical order since I believe "General Emulation" contains devices and systems much more people care about and are interested in and this also doesn't make the new design that much more foreign to the old one?

  • Was done, thanks.
  • Edit: WTF is the new sections design now? So many random stuff and big things like Android, iOS and etc. are sooo way down the bottom, the new design doesn't make good sense at all.

Endangered Category Rules

To make sure this category doesn't bloated with too many Games, Software and Hardware, the rules below need to be followed.

  • Games, Software and Hardware must have their own page
  • They must be historically significant
  • Their page must give a reason why their significant & endangered
  • They must be Undumped and or Undocumented

(Note about the last one: The concern is not that these Games, Software and Hardware are Unemulated \ Unsimulated, the concern is they haven't been dumped and or documented.)

Any Games, Software or Hardware that don't pass the four rules check, gets be added to the Endangered list

adding "Protoweb" and "WaybackProxy" projects to "Not really emulators section?

These are quite useful for "PC operating systems (OS)" section (DOS-based, Windows 1.0x/2x/3x series, Windows 9x series, Windows NT series and MacOS). I'm not sure which section is the right place for these proxy projects.

WaybackProxy
ProtoWeb

Done.

Ahayri (talk) 00:49, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

OC column for each system?

Similar to "Texture/Sprite Replacement" and "RIR" columns i think now its time to add "OC" column for each of these pages;

68000 Clock Divider for Genesis: Supported by BlastEm and MAME.
Adjusting blitter speed for Jaguar/Jaguar CD: Supported by BigPEmu.
Adjusting CPU Clock Speed for 3DO: Supported by opera_libretro / 4DO.
Virtual cpu clock control for original Xbox: Supported by xemu PR[1467].
Extra scanlines of processing? for NES and SNES emulators

Done. (see #enhancement section for each page)

Ahayri (talk) 17:02, 08 Aug 2023 (UTC)

Hybrid DVD player/gaming systems

Nuon, Panasonic Q and PSX (DVR) needs to be in "hybrid" category, right?

Ahayri (talk) 04:41, 05 December 2023 (UTC)

win9x, dos or other "ancient" emulators

for example: nesticle is still in the Nintendo_Entertainment_System_emulators page, i think we should only keep these older emulators in History_of_emulation and Emulators_on_DOS pages. Ahayri (talk) 18:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

New page for CD/DVD copy protection emulation

Useful resources

DOSBox-X issue page: SafeDisc / SecuROM emulation for games
Wikipedia:List of Compact Disc and DVD copy protection schemes

Ahayri (talk) 17:10, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


Changing latest version, active status, and download in tables

  • How about making some changes to how we present latest version and active status for emulators in tables?

Maybe include a date for the last update, like 2024-03-09?

Maybe use a template for the download links, so it's easily updated and can be mirrored on multiple pages?

Other suggestions? -Jpx (talk) 14:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

  • I like the idea, but I would like to know how we might create a template for the download links in the event that the links have distinct domain names and may dynamically change. Chipsum (✉️) 18:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
  • I've been thinking the same thing actually, i've also been thinking the website could benefit from some minor design changes. For example, left and right columns are huge problem to the large tables, these wide columns making the large tables feel even more cumbersome. Even the MainPageWIP page utilizes these large columns: https://imgur.com/a/ZnBH3PA Ahayri (talk) 17:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  • The right column is fixable, the left one is part of mediawiki default design, I am a webdev I can solve that but I don't know who is the webmaster it's up to @SonofUgly. As for the tables I am wrapping them between <div style="overflow-x:auto">, this will make the table responsive on mobile (and also on any viewport) it will create an overflow if it overflow's the page's container and adds horizontal scrolling bars on PC and on mobile you swap left and right to scroll the table (without any change to the page).Chipsum (✉️) 12:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I propose this header colors and style

  • So what do you say, I am thinking of removing the right td which contains the 4chan thread (and place it somewhere else)
Welcome to the Emulation General Wiki
The wiki dedicated to all things emulation.
There are 701 articles already. Why not explore them?

Chipsum (✉️) 21:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)


  • Some of the most beautifully designed mediawikis, to be inspired by [3]
  • I suggest that the icons precede the name:
Philips shield (2013).png Philips

Chipsum (✉️) 16:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

+The icon you suggested looks great, I like it. Ahayri (talk) 16:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Thank you @Ahayri ! glad you liked it. Chipsum (✉️) 18:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

InfoBox

I suggest this style for infoboxes, colors are demonstrative only you can change them or probably we make a variety of colored infoboxes,
I replaced the caption with a span inside the infobox, with a background color to make it look like a caption.
if all is ok, we still need the confirmation of the webmaster, since it's not possible to change the css of an infobox without accessing css files for it.

Android
Android.png
Developer Google
Open Handset Alliance
Release date 2008
Emulated ✓

Chipsum (✉️) 11:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

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